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Reguile

It's possible you just don't know how to imagine something nicer? Go online and look for places until you see one that looks really really nice and copy it?

Nicer stuff just feels fake or too simple to give a F (edited)

2:42 PM

It doesn’t need to be „nice”, it can just be „not terrible”

2:43 PM

Or, you can just not have any inner world

2:45 PM

Dunno, we can change the subject if you want to

Ignore the feeling, copy it anyway. I remember when I first started working I felt like the place at work was just way too nice for me and I didn't belong there, but after a couple months that feeling went away.

Because its slowly turning into a #vent

2:46 PM

Lol

2:46 PM

I think it’s been quite constructive so far

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I think it’s been quite constructive so far

~~people from tulpa.pl will probably get furious once they see that conversation~~

2:47 PM

I think I’m more sensitive about that than them

2:49 PM

I understand that nice things can be dissonant and fake, but as Reguile say you might try faking it till making it. However if it really doesn’t resonate with you at all, I think you might try with something neutral rather than nice

2:50 PM

Can i try the same with my relationship with Felicja?

2:51 PM

I bet

2:51 PM

Changes like that don’t need to be changing straight from A to B, it’s probably always going to be a transition. It’s good to know what you are aiming for eventually, but it’s ok if it takes time

2:53 PM

in the end we all just want to be happy, right? Being a bit happier or a bit less miserable is a good first step

in the end we all just want to be happy, right?

You're sounding like Roger now! ❤️

sh

someone should make an inner world that isn't all fluffy and magic, like an inner world that's just the office of the job you hated /srs (edited)

Why would you want to make a wonderland of a place you have a negative association with? I can see the value of creating places that are boring to challenge your creativity, but why recreate a place you are not comfortable in?

I have reason to believe that Nonbinary was in fact, joking, here. But it's always difficult to tell with them.

I would be genuinely surprised if they weren't being sarcastic, but they were asking for a serious answer

I like to think that whether or not they are being sarcastic at any given time is also nonbinary.

People that came up with the idea of tone tags didn’t realise that /srs is an opportunity for 5level irony

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for some reason

4:00 AM

i feel that i shouldn't be fronting so often

4:02 AM

i dunno

Buenos dias

Deleted User

i feel that i shouldn't be fronting so often

Why's that?

vixiUwU

Why's that?

Dunno, maybe because Fel enjoyed świthing

2:23 PM

Anyway

Then let 'em! Don't be the one to hold them back from their destiny!

Your wonderland should be ur deepest inner thoughts and what makes you feel you, I was told create the wonderland with your tulpa. Fill it with things you like and soothe you Most common I hear people do waterfalls or a lake. It comes down to ur mind and what ur interest are I've only changed my wonderland once when I made me newest tulpa back in September 2020 it was unchanged since 2015 (edited)

10:31 AM

Treat it as a sanctuary for you and your tulpa/s

In any ways, not being able to compute that derealization and depersonalization can be good is amusingly similar to someone with DID being upset that we would intentionally give ourselves an alter.

I have experienced derealization before. It feels like I'm in the Matrix and sometimes my surroundings feel like frosted glass. The real world quiets while my mindvoice and mind's eye get louder and sharper. It's harder to focus on reality and that in of itself can make things more stressful

On derealization specifically the concept of enlightenment is so heavily wrapped up with realizing the physical world is an illusion that I'm surprised you don't see how it could be enjoyed.

It's an old article from 2004, but yes, it looks like you can have 'healthy derealization': https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15022041/

Even with that fact, I don't think you need depersonalization or derealization for switching. We can switch without that

in the context of tulpamancy I agree with that completely. I think that particular kind of dissociative behaviour is a pointless, tertiary, self-validation mechanism, that has the potential to become uncontrolled.

12:30 PM

But, I would also say that switching is dissociative. (edited)

12:31 PM

When talking about general dissociative behaviour it includes shifting your perspective away from yourself in such a way that you no longer feel that you are the one acting. That's dissociation.

12:32 PM

And that is the dissociative aspect that is absolutely missing from roleplay.

12:32 PM

Even at its depth, when it's clear you fully are the character and may even be acting against your own interests in favour of them, you are not dissociated from them.

So what if a host makes a tulpa, and then they and that tulpa merge and the merge fronts? Would they feel any dissociation from the actions? (Of course I don't know you can still talk about the host anything in that case)

Would a better term maybe be "differentassociation"?

Calyra (Lula!/Scarlet)

So what if a host makes a tulpa, and then they and that tulpa merge and the merge fronts? Would they feel any dissociation from the actions? (Of course I don't know you can still talk about the host anything in that case)

Yes. Dissociation is any level of separation between areas of the brain doing their thing. That separation is the default for functioning in most cases. The sense that you are not in complete oneness with everything you are doing is a form of dissociation

3:27 PM

Dissociation is so common as to be profoundly mundane, way more than any base emotion.

3:28 PM

It is a spectrum you see, though, the things we usually point at and address as dissociation like derealization are the extremes of dissociative behaviours.

That makes sense.

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I never actually responded to Reguile here so I will do so now. The reason is mostly semantic, but grounded in the neurology. Association actually doesn't exist, the brain only shuts down communication, it doesn't heighten it, we only perceive it as being heightened in the moments where it fully lifts dissociation. We have a tendency to view association and dissociation as a spectrum with an "us normal" in the middle state, but it's more like we are 20% dissociated by default while lucid and the brain can increase that or decrease that effect.

I don't know if that makes sense to my. How can association not be a thing if disassociation is a thing, when disassociation is defined as not associating with something? In this case, would association be having a high (or normal) level of communication going on? Then different types of arrangements of communication would be different sorts of association?

Association as an abstract thing can be said to exist, but when it comes to what the brain is doing, there is a mechanism that handles the physical action of dissociation. (edited)

3:02 PM

To make a probably reach-ey analogy, dissociation is like heat. It is an actual phenomena. Cold isn't a phenomena, and association is cold. Cold is just the absence of heat, and association is the absence of dissociation.

3:04 PM

So in many ways talking about the brain in terms of associations it makes is off in a similar way as thinking cold is something that spreads separately from heat.

3:04 PM

But that, again, is only a mechanistic view, it's silly to argue association doesn't exist abstractly and internally.

so im just finding out about this tulpa thing, and it seems cool, something I may even wanna try, but theres one big problem. im incredibly lonely and get super attached or maybe even crush on any potential friend i make. would i fall in love with my tulpa?

Probably.

Fall in love with the tupper/s. It's the only way.

the what

It may not be the answer you want, but it's the answer you deserve.

There isnt really anything inherently wrong with being in love with your tulpa

4:51 PM

i just think you shouldnt make a tulpa purely to be your partner, they should have their own life to

is that a thing? tulpas dating other people? or would it be tulpas dating tulpas

Both of those happen

4:55 PM

Of course, tulpa can also date their host

What’s stopping a tulpa from dating someone who isn’t a tulpa?

Nothing at all!

5:01 PM

Especially if your host is mostly dormant, someone has got to do the dating or it won't get done.

nat

the what

"Tupper" is slang for tulpa

nat

is that a thing? tulpas dating other people? or would it be tulpas dating tulpas

I am one of these sickos.

5:13 PM

It's a good time, do recommend.

You date a tulpa of someone else too?

No, I mean specifically my own.

5:14 PM

Though my tulpas do also date each other.

The party never stops.

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Anyway, if you love your ~~little sister~~ tulpa, don't let her just being your ~~little sister~~ tulpa stop you from dating her.

God damnit stop scaring the newbies away with the incest. I don't bring up the BDSM on the first date!

It’s not incest it’s….. self love

please don't compare my appreciation for romantic love of siblings to BDSM :v

They weren’t they were giving an example

How dare you: BDSM is romantic as fuck

5:43 PM

It is the purest display of... uhh... affection, yes... that a person can do!

5:43 PM

What says love harder than shared suffering, after all?

It's not as pure as marrying your older brother.

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5:44 PM

And true shared suffering is a lack of acceptance incestous pairs are facing for embracing their love.

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Marriage is just a construct. Comparing it to the purity of complete abject, physical subjugation before your brother is just folly.

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I don’t see BDSM as a love thing at all lol

5:46 PM

I’m just a sadistic asshole

5:46 PM

I don’t need to love you

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You don't see it as a sex thing tho

5:46 PM

If I recall?

Exactly

Rusty please forgive me, for I have sinned

5:47 PM

I bow down before thee in shame

I don't either. At least from my normal point of view.

Bowing down to me is not the position you want to be in

BDSM is mostly about sex with a similar proportion to being about love as sex normally is. Which is not much. (edited)

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I am ready, punish me as you see fit

Nah you got too much blood and organs

That could change with a bit of cyberware.

Zen

BDSM is mostly about sex with a similar proportion to being about love as sex normally is. Which is not much. (edited)

And as we all know sex is about power.